Carie Rivit - Stephen J. Rivait?

I'm going to have to figure out how the puzzle pieces work.

A birth registration came today from the Addison town clerk. It's for a male named Carie Rivit that was born October 18, 1876. His parents are Julius and Josephine (Moro) Rivit. Julius was born in Canada and Josephine was born in Fort Ann, New York.

Stephen J Rivait's tombstone says he was born 1876.

There's an 1880 census of Waltham, Addison County, Vermont that lists Stephen as 4 years of age.

I think it's safe to say that his original name was Carie before his parents changed it to Stephen before 1880. I'm still debating on whether or not using it on the site... but the parents are there and all. I guess I'll just have to pop it in as an interesting factoid.

As for what his middle initial could mean, I'm not sure. I was told that it was for Joseph but an Uncle came out of the blue and said it is for Julius.

Patino is a confirmed family name.

I'm still waiting on the SS-5. I got a little bit impatient and went on Google to see if anyone made a similar complaint. Apparently it takes around five to six months before a response comes. Eesh. Now that I know that is common, I will have to let the SS-5 surprise me down the road out of the blue.

I have been chatting with a guy over on ancestry.com and he has been extremely helpful! I can't even believe that he works with my cousin. The world just seems smaller by the minute!

He sent me two scanned documents that confirmed quite a bit of information. The first is a marriage certificate.

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CERTIFICATE OF MARRIAGE

GROOM'S Full Name: Stephen J. Rivett
Place of Residence: Addison
Age: Twenty-six years
Occupation: Farmer
Number of Marriage: First
Place of Birth: Addison
Father's Name: Julius Rivett
Mother's Name: Josephine Rivett

BRIDE'S Full Name: Rose Anna Raymond
Place of Residence: Addison
Age: Eighten Years
Number of Marriage: First
Place of Birth: Mineville, N. Y.
Father's Name: Frank Raymond
Mother's Name: Delia Raymond

The parties above named were joined in marriage at Vergennes, by me, this 15th day of February 1904.

Attest, Rev. A. Beauchesne, Catholic Priest.
Returned for record, February 16th, 1904
A TRUE RECORD, Attest, L. C. Seeger, Town Clerk

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Another mentioning of "Rose Anna". The second document is a birth certificate... A son of Frank and Delia (Delema) - Brother to Rose Anna.

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CITY OR TOWN OF: Addison during the month of March 1944

Place of Birth
County: Addison
City or Town: Addison

USUAL RESIDENCE OF MOTHER:
State: Vermont
County: Addison
City or Town: Addison

Full name of child: Frederick Joseph Raymond
Sex: Male
Date of Birth: September 18, 1888
Legitimate: Yes

FATHER OF CHILD:
Full Name: Frank Raymond
Color or race: White
Age at time of this birth: 36 years
Birthplace: France
Usual occupation: Lumberman

MOTHER OF CHILD:
Full maiden name: Delema Patineau
Color or race: White
Age at time of this birth: 28 years
Birthplace: Canada
Usual occupation: Housewife

Children born to this mother: 3

I hereby certify that this child who waws born alive at the hour of -----m on the date of above stated and that the information given is verified by Adelord Cyr, related to the child as uncle.

Date received by the local registrar: March 20, 1944.
Registrar's signature: Beaurnelle H. Clark

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I wonder why it took so long for a birth in 1888 to be reported in 1944. That's pretty interesting. I know Cyr may be a family name but I have to figure out how it fits into the tree. Cyr has been mentioned quite a few times around Patino/Patenaude/Patineau.

Now I have to figure out if its Delia or Delema. This is so exciting! I'm so glad I clung onto the census about Rose Anna and her grandfather, Charles Patino.

SS-5 for Anna Rivait

I decided to give up on trying to find a connection between Charles Patino and Anna Raymo (Rosanna Raymond). I was told to try to get a copy of her SS5 as it'll list her parents on it. At least I'll finally get her mother's name for $27! ;)

Heard from Church

Wow, I had totally given up on the church ever getting back to me. Unfortunately they didn't provide any information on Anna Raymo's parents. However, they did fill in some gaps. She died July 27, 1970 and was buried in St. Peter's cemetery on July 30, 1970.

They also jotted down that Stephen Joseph Rivait was 59 when he died (no dates because it was left blank). I believe it says here that he was age 13 as of his first communion.

You know, it is really hard to decide whether to stick to Anna Raymo or switch over to Rosanna Raymond. There's a possibility that her name may have been Rose Anna instead.

Frederick Charles Whalon/Frederick C. Lovely

My aunt on my father's side is struggling to learn more about her father.

My grandmother is Elizabeth Marie Rivait. Before she married Robert Wilbur Smith, she had been previously married to a Frederick Charles Whalon/Lovely (I have no idea what number marriage this is for her.).

Frederick died in 1944. In fact, he died a couple months before my aunt was born. When her mother was dying and in the hospital, her mother refused to tell her about who her father was. There's rumors going around as to who the true father is.

One of the information was that her father was Frederick Charles Whalon but that he has used the surname Lovely too. I don't understand how that fits in. I've seen address books dated in 1942 where Frederick and Elizabeth Whalon were listed. Frederick also had a trucking business where he carted away garbage.

My aunt sent us a copy of her birth certificate. It listed her father as Frederick Lovely.

I did searches on ancestry.com. I found Frederick Whalon in a couple censuses where the dates match. I did not find any Lovely's.

Monday, I sent away a request to the state for a marriage certificate for Frederick Whalon/Lovely and Elizabeth Rivait.

Sending a request to the church.

I wrote a letter for the church that sent me the baptism record on my grandmother, Elizabeth Rivait. I decided to ask for their help in case Anna Raymo/Raymond ever registered information about herself such as her parents - as well as any information on Stephen Rivait too.

Two more requests...

I made out two more requests today. One for Linda Derouchie's death certificate - in hopes of trying to find out where she is buried. The other is for a marriage certificate of my paternal grandparents, Robert Smith & Elizabeth Rivait.

Elizabeth Marie Rivait - Score!

It turns out St Peter's Church in Vergennes, Vermont had a record!

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CERTIFICATE OF BAPTISM

This is to certify that Elizabeth Marie, Child of Stephen Rivet and Rose Anna Raymond, born in Vergennes, Vt on the 7th day of May 1917 was baptized on the 3rd day of June 1917.

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That's interesting to find about Anna Raymo though... Everyone referred to her as Anna and I assumed it was her nickname for Rosanna but if her name really was Rose Anna... Hmm...

Elizabeth Rivait - Anna Raymo

Called the church for Elizabeth Marie Rivait's baptism record. Left our name and address and they said they'll research and send us anything if they find her information.


In 2006, We found a town clerk that found Anna Raymo's birth information that stated that her father's name was Francis Raymond and he came from France.

There is a tree on Ancestry.com where someone stated that Anna's parents are Frank Raymond and Emma Pecott. I contacted her but never got a response - I imagine she's not around or anything.

Having mentioned that, We called around in hopes of finding that Town clerk to ask for a copy. We called the Addison Town Clerk and she said she did not have a Rosanna/Anna Raymo but she found an Elsie (b: 7/11/1900) and a Clifford (4/14/1902) who both had parents named Frank Raymond (from France) and Emma ??? (from New York). These could very well be siblings of Anna Raymo.

James Edward Hayes & Dorothy Wood: Marriage Certificate

I received two things in the mail today.

1. I'm so excited! They sent me the Groom information on James Edward Hayes & Dorothy Wood's marriage certificate.

Name of Groom: James Edward Hayes
Name of Bride: Dorothy Ruth Wood
Residence of Groom: Milton
Date of Marriage: September 25, 1928
Color: White
Age in years: 26
No. of Marriage: /
Occupation: Farming
Place of Birth: South Burlington
Father's Name: Lawrence Hayes
Birthplace: ?
Mother's name: Jennie ?
Birthplace: Charlotte, Vermont
Name Party Officiating: Karl J. Phelps

I'm excited! This verifies that the James E. Hayes buried at St. Catherine's is the same one who married my great grandmother! I'm so glad I finally have a document that links everything together! Woohoo!!!

2. Received a "No Record" on my grandmother, Elizabeth Marie Rivait when I requested for her birth certificate.



That was disappointing.

Stephen Joseph Rivait - Trying to find his parents

Have you ever found a possible link between one person and their parents but no matter how much info you dig up, you're not quite sure whether or not you should go ahead and link them together?

I've been researching Elizabeth Rivait's parents, Stephen Joseph Rivait and Anna Raymo (Raymond?).

I *think* there's a good possibility that Stephen's parents are Julius and Josephine Rivait. I found a census with a four year old Stephen along with various siblings (matches the year he was born). I researched the parents and siblings as much as I could but I never could find a link at all.

The only link that could even come closer is the fact that Stephen Rivait and Julius Rivait/Josephine are buried in the same cemetery.

My notes are as follows:

( Saint Peter's Cemetery - Vergennes, Addison County, Vermont )

Julius Rivait: 1841 - 1919
Josephine ?????: 1844 - 1892

Children:

Emma: b. 1866?
Mina: 1869 - 1957
Malvina: 1871 - 1959
Nealey: 1874 - 1942
Stephen: b. 1876?

Emma seems to have "disappeared" - in other words, no idea who she married.

Malvina ( Also buried in St. Peter's Cemetery ) married a Frederick(?) Pruniere.

Children:
Jules (Julius?) Frederick: (1896 - 1958)
Thelma J.: b. 1898?

Thelma J. married a Charles Flint (b. 1894?)

Malvina, according to censuses, took care of both Mina and Nealy for quite a long time. In one census, Nealey was named as Cornelius. I think it's safe to say that Mina and Nealey never married and never had kids.

WWI Registration Card for Nealy Rivett, it is noted on the back that he is "Obviously Disqualified (Feeble-Minded)" - Stephen is noted as the person 'who knows where the registrant is at all times'.

Malvina seems to have been a big time caretaker. She took care of her siblings and children longer than she should have. I really am curious as to where Emma took off to.

I'm pretty sure I could sit down and say, "They *are* related. Too much of a coincidence." but I really want documents and proof to say that they are related.

My plan is, if the state can find Elizabeth Rivait's birth certificate and it states where her parents are born, I will then call the place where Stephen J Rivait was born... and hope that they do have a copy to verify who his parents are.

Rivait/Raymo - No Record

I finally received a response today.



They were unable to find a marriage certificate for Stephen Joseph Rivait and Anna Raymo. On the back of the paper, I added quite a bit of information such as Anna being a nickname for Rosanna, etc. I wrote down some census information and whatnot.

This is disappointing. Now I have to try to find some other way to figure out who their parents are.

Contacting the Church for Elizabeth Rivait

Just recently got some information from a relative who is a... daughter of a child of Lillian Rivait. I believe something about a town that had burned down so the relative had to contact a church in Weybridge, Vermont where Lillian G. Rivait was born and baptised. They got the baptism record from the church there.

There's a possibility that Elizabeth Rivait was also born there and maybe baptized there as well. Will have to call the church and find out. If this is true, that means I wasted ten dollars in trying to get a birth certificate for her on Monday. Oops.

Birth Certificates

Called a handful of town clerks in Vermont yesterday. Managed to track down birth certificates of my paternal grandfather, Smith, and my maternal grandparents, LIVING Derouchie and Hayes. I tried Vergennes, Addison, and Waltham to try to find a birth certificate for my paternal grandmother, Elizabeth Rivait, but no go.

The town clerks gave me information so I sent out three envelopes today to get copies of birth certificates. May have to go another route to try to find my paternal grandmother's bc.

Marriage Certificates

I posted two marriage certificates that my Great Uncle sent to me.

Emery George Abare & Ida LaForce
Alex Derouchie & Katharine Abare

I have sent away a request (along with $10) for a copy of a marriage certificate for Stephen Joseph Rivait and Rosanna "Anna" Raymo. I really really hope they have it. It'd be nice to break down some walls and find out who their parents are.

Photographs and Tombstones

I just recently got some photographs of my family. It's pretty neat! I finally know what Zenas Wood and Blanche Chase looked like - even though they're very old in the picture.

I also got many pictures of tombstones that I uploaded to findagrave.com. I recognized a couple of names but most of them ring no bells for me.

However, there is a tombstone of Julius and Josephine Rivait near Stephen Rivait's tombstone. Maybe Julius and Josephine really were his parents - all of this being based off censuses I found. I would feel better if I had some concrete evidence.

I'll have to update the information on my homepage soon.

Subscription to Ancestry.com

Today, I purchased one month subscription to Ancestry.com. I managed to dig up three WWI registration cards of my great grandfathers (Zenas Turner Wood, Stephen Joseph Rivait, and Wilbur Earl Smith).

Unfortunately, I am lacking information on my great grandfather, James Edward Hayes.

Looking through censuses have been helpful because that's when I can discover who their parents are but it's still difficult if no one can verify them.